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Artificial Intelligence at the trigger? 8 years 2 months ago #314296

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Gun control? How about AI control?

Artificial Intelligence at the trigger?


Modern Artificial Intelligence is impressive, so is modern robotics and weapons technology, now mix them all together and what do you get? How about a whole new military arms race and new mind blowingly advanced equipment for law enforcement?

After my first experience with a self-driving car the possibilities that come to mind are limitless. (No hyperbole intended here.) There are now cars on the road which you can sit down in and verbally state your destination and it will take you there without your assistance. (Tesla S 90D in my experience) The self-driving car has always been one of those impossibly-futuristic-science-fiction things… no more. It's now science fact. It blows my mind to think of the programming required to make a vehicle able to make a left turn at a 4-way stoplight. (US right hand drive here.) It somehow “watches” the light and the on-coming cars, determines its order in the queue, watches for pedestrians, kids on skateboards, people pulling out of parking spots, …and somehow gets you there without any fresh blood on the bumper or dashboard.

Sci-fi movies and stories with robots and AI like Terminator or 2001 A Space Odyssey or even Star Wars, have brought some of the dark “what-if’s to light, but it has always been in a abstract fictional future kind of way. If you haven’t been keeping up on what is possible right here, right now in a galaxy not so far away, do some searches on “DARPA robotics”. Modern robots and their physical design now come in many forms. Some are anthropomorphic (sorry, big word! How about “humanoid”? lol.) but most are designed to be more practical for specific tasks. If you want to design an effective military robot which could carry and use all of the equipment of a modern soldier it probably would not look like C3PO. I imagine that it would look more like a cross between an antelope and a spider.



Now give that spidelope the “brains” of the self driving car, a weapon turret and a way of refueling in the field and you have something that no “armed militia” of any people would have a chance of standing up to… (let’s not go into the “what if they have a really good hacker?” thing here.) Oh, by the way, the Tesla comes with a smart phone app, you can communicate with it. I saw a lady in a store who left her dog in the car on a hot day. She had the car’s air-conditioned set and was watching the dog. She could tell the dog to go lay down in the back seat and it listened! Anyway, so instead of a soldier or a cop having a K9 partner….

Something on the order of the Droid Army of Star Wars is now possible. Will we soon be seeing AI-K9s with soldiers at airports and big events? Will the navy be made largely of landing craft for invasion droids? Some deployments could be crab/tarantula sized as individuals or in swarms… Many crazy things are not so far fetched any more.




There are some major concerns:
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* On one hand there is a open letter which has been signed and is being promoted by the likes of Steven Hawking, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Steven Wozniac and many more with a grim warning:

www.bbc.com/news/technology-30290540

The BBC article in the link wrote:
“Humans, who are limited by slow biological evolution, couldn't compete, and would be superseded."

“We cannot quite know what will happen if a machine exceeds our own intelligence, so we can't know if we'll be infinitely helped by it, or ignored by it and sidelined, or conceivably destroyed by it," he says.

But he is betting that AI is going to be a positive force.

Prof Hawking is not alone in fearing for the future.


* On the other hand; If we do end up with droid armies, how is the upper chain of command determined? Who has ultimate control? The US President is the Commander-In-Chief of the US military. How would seccession work? (passing of authority from one leader to the next) It could be a big problem if a private contractor had the ability to supersede executive order. Who else will end up with some sort of AI military capability? It might not take much to have something very dangerous.



I know, not enough pictures... Anyway, enjoy Dogfight! …and don’t be too surprised if part of elite’s beta testing includes an impassable AI anti-aircraft gun…
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I try to never underestimate the power of the mind. Many have said "if you can think it, it can happen. Time is the only thing holding us back". Ok that is not word for word but something on them lines. Just like if we could go back 100 years or even just 50 years and tell people all the tall tales of what we do in our every day life. We would get locked up!!!

Anyways great post!
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I dont think AI can ever replace human mind. They are too perfect n hence predictable.

Our greatest power is the ability to make mistakes.

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|111th|KptnSINGH wrote: I dont think AI can ever replace human mind. They are too perfect n hence predictable.

Our greatest power is the ability to make mistakes.


Good point Singh,

I'd add that compared to AI, our other greatest powers may be to forgive and to change our priorities based on the situation. I wonder what a self-driving car would "choose" to do in a moral dilemma such as hitting a kid chasing a ball or going off the road. What about a military AI making a choice about collateral damage? Ah, sci-fi! Did you ever see the '80s movie "War Games"? There was a computer that was designed to play games such as tic-tac-toe, chess and Global Thermal Nuclear War. After being forced to play against its self it concluded that the only way to win was not to play.
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@ YEMX: Check out the Schwarzenegger version of the movie "Total Recall". It was made only 30 years ago but a lot of the futuristic technology is now here. Same with James Bond movies. There is a good part in the recent movie "Kingsmen" (a 007 spoof) where the weapons master is outfitting the agent with all the fancy spy gadgets... exploding lighters and what not. The agent points to a rack of tablets and digital devices and asks "What's special about those?" ..."Oh nothing... technology has caught up with the spy world."
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Is artificial intelligence intelligence?
Are we intelligent, when our decisions can be predicted by using big data?
Maybe intelligence is not processing information and coming up with an answer to a question that seems right to us.

Creativity? Or is that also a sum of impressions that we collected, mixed with our skill of combining it into something we find pleasing....and that's an aquired taste, so also predictable.

At least it would take far too much calculating, so in creativity and other "not logical" stuff, as Dr. spock would classify it, we are irreplaceable. Ok, as long as the Cyborgs tolerate us, we're ok.

If artificial intelligence is ever perfect, it will bring about world peace. But it can be called life if it knows what to do next. Are we alive? Maybe if we become more creative.
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Rudolf Rednose wrote: Is artificial intelligence intelligence?
Are we intelligent, when our decisions can be predicted by using big data?
Maybe intelligence is not processing information and coming up with an answer to a question that seems right to us.

Creativity? Or is that also a sum of impressions that we collected, mixed with our skill of combining it into something we find pleasing....and that's an aquired taste, so also predictable.

At least it would take far too much calculating, so in creativity and other "not logical" stuff, as Dr. spock would classify it, we are irreplaceable. Ok, as long as the Cyborgs tolerate us, we're ok.

If artificial intelligence is ever perfect, it will bring about world peace. But it can be called life if it knows what to do next. Are we alive? Maybe if we become more creative.


Great post on

Creativityyy. Often called madness

Creativity only happens thru mistakes. Just as genetic mutations cause speciation.
A society where everyone is geared towards winning trophies n accolades n 4.0 gpas will stagnate. Creativity is primal n raw n doesnt respect our laws

Creativity comes from our connection to the universal soul. AI can never interlink with universal soul because it is binary n the universal soul often called god,is analog.

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I get in more trouble, for being an "Out Side The Box" thinker.

Did Pablo Picasso get in trouble for coloring outside the lines as a child......?
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Here is an impressive video of an "android". (Humanoid robot)



I've read that one of the targeted markets for early domestic robots will be for cooking. I wonder how that will turn out. Will the meals be flat products or inspired creations?

How about a running companion...or a weapons platform?


BTW: Boston Dynamics is now owned by Google...who also has self-driving car technology. ;)
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Now why is it I get the feeling it is a cruel thing to kick that robot, but a few seconds later when you see two of those coming over the hill they are rather scary?

Robots will go where the money is, so I guess the most likely adjecent possible is the gun platform.
As long as the two trained soldiers that operate a same gun are cheaper and thus more expendable, and the home front has more feelings for a machine that looks a bit like their dog they will not be mass produced.
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I guess that warfare is increasingly AI orientated and that its an extension of mans creativity at its best and worst. Given that the rising threat is computer based communication and enrolment into the wayward thinking of certain factions and the way in which modern threats are showing themselves you have to fight technology with its own source as these armies that seem to be hell bent on mayhem are specialists at getting into the minds of vulnerable volunteers.
The battle lines are digital there's no doubt and participants are fighting for the erroneous belief that they will recive some kind of martyrdom when the vile acts are carried out.
We have no choice than to recognise the digital threat and somehow discover the abhorrent ideas that seem to freely flow in the world. As with anything implementing free will can be the savour or demise of the human race, setting aside environmental catastrophe AI intelligence needs to be guardian of our right to live in peace on this planet. On a lighter note dont forget to have fun!!
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He he..was in a ranty mood..
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People in general are stupid, think about it. How many truly brilliant people have you met (I mean ones who take your breath away)? 1 or 2 Right? Now compare that to the amount of total idiots you have met in your life (you cant even count that high, can you?) I am pretty sure we have nothing to worry about.

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The weakest link in the AI chain isn't the intellect of men, it's there moral character. Picture a few of these babies coming over the hill to surgically remove a terrorist training camp in some far off land.
(AMEE from the 2000 movie "Red Planet")
Our troops are not put at risk, the potential for heat-of-combat human error is removed, and AI precision gets exactly what it was instructed to do done; no muss, no fuss, no cowardice in the face of the enemy, no collateral damage, no "fog of war" mistakes. :)

Now, two years later, while your sitting in your gaming chair enjoying the safety these government assets provide you . . . B)

President Hillary Clinton decides that the most recent outbreak of violence over a police related shooting has forced her hand, so she sends a few companies into town to support the collection of personally owned firearms.

Or maybe President Vladimir Putin decides that the unrest along his western border warrants his sending a division of these beauties into another sovereign country as "peace keepers."

Or maybe President Hassan Rouhani decides that the time is right to "express death to America with action" or strike a blow against the "occupier and usurper government" in Israel, so he sends three of these gems to Jerusalem to visit the Knesset, and three more to the U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv. :ohmy:
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Here are some of the most advanced androids. Honda, Toyota... Will these be at your local dealer soon? :pinch: :blink:





This is a "chat bot" android from 2013. It's programming is a lot like Seri but it seems to go a bit further. It's just a matter of how deep the programming goes. The conversation in the video gets a little freaky. :S

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So, who calls the shots? (literally) With remotely controlled drones there is still a human on the trigger but technology and the "need" for fast action and autonomy are making it so the decision to kill is made in circuitry.

Lag? Glitches? Unforseen complications? What could go wrong? :dry: :huh:


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I believe that some of the noobs here are using artificial intelligence.and their planes were programmed by complete idiots.they just keep team killing everyone.or better yet can even take off and crash into you when your trying to take off ..
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He he thats funny bunny, maybe some of the noobs are ghosts in the machine, the little bits of digital ectoplasm exorcised by machines working too hard and having a little celluloid breakdown..

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"Watson" is an artificial intelligence program made by IBM. In 2013 it made headlines when it won the gameshow "Jeopardy" against human opponents. On the surface it may not seem like a big deal that a computer was able to win a game that relies largely on trivia and knowledge but when you really analyze what is required to play it becomes a much greater accomplishment.



Watson is a self-learning program, meaning it constantly changes as it discovers more efficient and effective ways to operate. It's being put to use in many different disciplines including medical and financial research and analysis. The ability to sort and analyze data is beyond anything that has ever come before. In the clip that Rudolf posted of it having a conversation with Bob Dylan, Watson mentions that it has read all of his song lyrics and come up with the summation that his main themes are "Time passes and love fades". It makes me wonder what it would come up with if it did a search of all available information on anyone. What would it come up with to describe you, your interests and proclivities? In the hands of law enforcement, how effective would it be in profiling and interrogation? How about in a military role?

Financial AIs have been at work for many years, programmed to find mechanisms for leveraging capital. Many years ago it had already become a duel between competing programs to try to remain one step ahead of the competition, with self-learning programs acting faster than any human could keep up. Billions of dollars are on the line with people only able to see what has already happened in international trades. Rumor has it that there have been some financial "attacks" which have prompted temporary shutdowns, blackouts and even some military posturing based on financial espionage that was invisible to the general population. What can happen when AIs are programmed to constantly learn and not to lose, financially or militarily? Now give that programming control of opposing droid armies....

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A good 1 year old 12 minute vid about Watson.
Keep.in mind it has now been 4 years since Watson won the game "Jeopardy". This video talks about some of the real world commercial uses it is being put to.

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if anybody is interested in the game GO, Google announced that it has developed an intuitive software program that has already beaten the EU Champion and is scheduled to take on the World Champion in March :S
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I listened to a radio programme on AI at the weekend. One of the points it raised was that things the human brain does really easily, AI still finds difficult. Like making a cup of coffee in an unfamiliar kitchen, for example, whereas developing AI to do something narrowly difficult, like beating a grand master at chess, isn't as hard as we thought. Mind you, it sounds from the initial example with the self-driving car that the 'easy-hard' things are well on their way to being conquered.

One comment from that programme that amused me was that we have less to fear from artificial intelligence than from real stupidity.
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Have you checked out AI Chat bots lately?


Are we really so lonesome among people that we need other "friends" to occupy our time and attention? I suppose it's a bit like having a pet. I've talked to pets in a very conversational way. The "communication " seems mostly based on tone and displayed emotion... AI conversation is based on words and previous knowledge. Some AIs can be programmed to interpret cues and context for emotional content and can be very hard to discern from humans in text and voice, but how "deep" do they go? Are they able to have their own unique 'personality'? Can they form opinions, or do they just mirror what they see and hear?


www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-delete...tay-2016-3?r=UK&IR=T
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Tay's Twitter page

Microsoft's new AI chatbot went off the rails Wednesday, posting a deluge of incredibly racist messages in response to questions.

The tech company introduced "Tay" this week — a bot that responds to users' queries and emulates the casual, jokey speech patterns of a stereotypical millennial.

The aim was to "experiment with and conduct research on conversational understanding," with Tay able to learn from "her" conversations and get progressively "smarter."

But Tay proved a smash hit with racists, trolls, and online troublemakers, who persuaded Tay to blithely use racial slurs, defend white-supremacist propaganda, and even outright call for genocide.

Microsoft has now taken Tay offline for "upgrades," and it is deleting some of the worst tweets — though many still remain. It's important to note that Tay's racism is not a product of Microsoft or of Tay itself. Tay is simply a piece of software that is trying to learn how humans talk in a conversation. Tay doesn't even know it exists, or what racism is. The reason it spouted garbage is that racist humans on Twitter quickly spotted a vulnerability — that Tay didn't understand what it was talking about — and exploited it.




In a way, maybe they will be more like dogs... You know how dogs can come to mirror traits of their owners? What sort of companion would a AIK9 be? What if the owner is a complete A-hole? Could it be programmed to be completely loyal to you? Would there be any sort of security over-ride? Would someone be able to hack your bot? Could your bot get a glitch and go feral? Lol!


This stuff reminds me of "The Family" from the whole-wall-size-screens in Fahrenheit 451.. :unsure:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_451


What sort of programming would be adequate for military or police use? It would be one thing to have a bot that could carry loads or be part of surveillance systems, but would it be "safe" as part of the controls of a weapons system?

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Artificial intelligence is heavily in the news again lately.

Tech celebrities are opining about the what may lie ahead; will AI be our best tools and companions or could they be our undoing? As I see it; if things go well, there are countless benefits to look forward to... if things go bad, we're toast! Military robotics are making it into the field. What could possibly go wrong?






How should these things be controlled? Will they be controlled in real time by an operator with a tablet (like DF?) Or will they be given some degree of AI autonomy? Either way they could be subject to hacking. Some pundits and industry shills have said it's ridiculous to worry about these weapons systems getting hacked. Really? Remember a few years ago when a U.S. military drone got hacked over Iran? Iran actually hacked and landed it intact. The U.S. first denied that it happened and later asked for it's return. Check the link below for the story.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–U.S._RQ-170_incident
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Slaughterbots

Autonomous flying cooperative weapons with facial recognition. Can target individuals or seek targets based on profile. This video was made as a dramatization but the technology is real, they may not be this exact design but why split hairs? These things could be set loose to target anyone based on the programmers whim. Who has access? As far as weapons systems go these are very cheap. Why waste resources on WMDs when you can get these?

It has been said that there is a brief window of opportunity to prevent these from becoming a regular part of military arsenals. I doubt it, it's probably too late. Keep an ear to the news, they may already be in use.

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Ok i can see some people are already using artificial intelligence .
You need to bring that back to Wal Mart and get a refund.

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Relax, they made a much friendlier looking Spot.
I like the long neck one that can load the dishwasher.

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Artificial Intelligence at the trigger? 6 years 3 months ago #368065

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Wait till one of those self driving cars gets the equivalent of laaaaaaag lol
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U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis weighs in on military AI:

"If we ever get to the point where it is completely on automatic pilot, we are all spectators. That is no longer serving a political purpose. And conflict is a social problem that needs social solutions, people—human solutions."

He said he did not know what artificial intelligence will do to warfare, "but I am certainly questioning my original premise of the fundamental nature of war that does not change.

"You have got to question that now. I just don't have the answer."


Read more at: phys.org/news/2018-02-artificial-intelli...-nature-war.html#jCp


He talks a bit of how war has always changed with each new circumstance or technology but there has also always been a human influence on the battlefield. AI can remove that. It's one thing to have a drone controlled remotely by a pilot or an entire team of operators, it's another thing to set the drone loose like a driverless car with weapons and a directive. Who is at the trigger?

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[NLR] McFate wrote: Relax, they made a much friendlier looking Spot.
I like the long neck one that can load the dishwasher.


I just saw that robot dogs buddy open a door lol

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