The games that are even are kinda fun in my oppinion. Brush up on fighting.

First and foremost, even in “real” war there are rules. Do you have to follow them? No, of course not; however, the results often escalate into crimes against humanity. For example, Country A is at war with Country B. Country B, for whatever reason, kills a few prisoners of war. Country A hears about this and doesn’t like it, and so kills a few of Country B’s prisoners of war – I think you get the point – quid pro quo and this is going to get ugly fast. And, just because someone else does it, does not make it right.
Now back to the reality of the unreality of the WWI Dogfight simulation game and the question, “is it legal to spawn kill”. And I can tell you, after “extensive research” that no one has ever been arrested for spawn killing – sleep well tonight. However, after reading some of the posts, namely the one from Slenderman, it appears to be a rule, albeit loosely defined due to the nature of the game and the tactics that pilots use to ensure victory; but none the less, a rule. Some of you, like me, just don’t do it; end of story. Others however, have blatant disregard of the rule and conduct wanton, willful spawnkilling until their hearts content; to which the rule states that another pilot can destroy your plane or tank or the ”Rambo Class” parachute soldier. There’s nothing that can really stop this except self policing by other pilots. I don’t like doing this but I’ve done this to spawnkillers on the other team and my own team as well. It’s not a good feeling for me when I do this but it’s a rule. Somebody correct me if I’m wrong here.
Anyway, what this leaves is the rest of the pilots that reside somewhere in the middle of the spectrum between “will never spawnkill” to “spawnkill all the time”. And I think this is the group that needs to make up their minds because I don’t really think a “spawnkiller” is going to wake up one day and say, “You know, that ole’ Black Flag got it right and this is the day I stop spawnkilling” nor do I think a “non-spawnkiller” is going to go on a mental rampage. So my question to that group is, “How many spawnkills does it take to make you a spawnkiller? And at what point does it become a spawnkill – as long as their wheels are on the ground?” This is just something to think about, I really don’t expect any replies on this. Maybe someone can open another thread on this one.
Finally, at the end of the day, I hope I changed at least one pilots mind on this topic; but if I didn’t that’s ok too. I do enjoy the game and flying with and fighting against all the pilots “non-spawn killers” and “spawnkillers” alike and all those in the middle. And I know everyone is playing the game that’s the most enjoyable for them; except that enjoyment by some is at the detriment of others.

Well said...I am a big fan of gentleman warfare...but, i spawnkill sometimes, mostly to get my team in to bomb hangers....i do admit that i sometimes do it for fun, but never to the point where new players dont get a chance to play.....most people that i see do it often...matter of fact i have been spawnkilled many many many many times. I just laugh and get on with it. As far as gentleman warfare goes,(on the game) is almost non existant. I often say out of ammo etc...and i still get shot down...

It is really a fun game though..


******I see your avatar is a black flag***** im sure you know what it means, but i will share my knowledge on it....it means that you wil destroy your enemy by any means neccesary to have victory. That was just a brief meaning but everyone will get the point

Thanks General. That’s an interesting definition. And in light of what I been spouting off about would be so hilarious and infinitely ironic ; so I actually really like that one. If I recall the Red Flag may be have a similar definition. And I do believe the “Black Flag” is a representation of an anarchic state; in other words the absence of nation, state and flag. Not to say that I’m all on for Anarchy, and I try not to misrepresent, but all this really goes back to is my affinity for punk music and the band Black Flag and the front man Henry Rollins and the Rollins Band. And not to say that I don’t like your definition; and in fact will use it amended as follows: “to destroy your enemy by any means necessary to have victory, to the extent the rules of warfare are adhered to. “

Your welcome.....

The actual term is "give no quarter to the enemy"........pretty much meaning, during a battle "we will destroy you, so dont expect us to take prisoners because there will be no one left"

Spawnkilling behavior depends on whether you're flying for the team and the mission or racking up kills.

I think it is legal, tactical and fair if you're escorting in bombers to the base or carrier or clearing the carrier deck for capture. It could also be a tactic if you're protecting the zepplin and want to pin down the enemy as the zepplin approaches.

I think we all know the kind of spawnkills that sucks and spoil a game - no purpose for the mission, no chance for the person taking off, tank sitting on a runway kind of crappy playing.

I let people take off and sometimes I get shot down but its all good. Best remedy - just quit the game and find a new one.

Thanks Seattle. Great attitude.

I spawnkill to rack up kills and get people through. And I have a limited amount of time per day to ppay. So I have to spawn kill to rack up kills.

Lol...i spawnkilled 1 person earlier and hamers told me i am a disgrace to enigma...i let him get off runway and he still said that...lol

Oh, is hamers still here? Hes be off the forum for a while.

Yeah, black, i think you pretty much summed it up. I only spawnkill if I am going for a bombing run. I might occasionally try to help out a teammate by doing it, but very rarely. Never to rack up kills.

See ya in the skies!

bomer1 wrote: I spawnkill to rack up kills and get people through. And I have a limited amount of time per day to ppay. So I have to spawn kill to rack up kills.

Question: Is shooting a bird in a cage hunting? Look me in the eye and answer to yourself.

Depends how big the cage is...lol...just messin

Lol, thats a good point, jackson, but i think he means a bird cage, not an elephant cage. lol

See ya in the skies!

Lol i knew what he meant...lol

i agree with seattle on the point that spawnkilling is acceptable if you make it for tactic in the game..however you can classify all spankillings as a tactic, because whoever does it with whatever intent, it works for the team and can be counted as tactic..so either a way should be found to ban spawnkilling or we all let it happen(keep doing it)..

Tank spawnkilling in the "Dogfight" mode of play is the only real problem, because there are no teams.

Without teams there are no home bases, and you will just be shot if you try to defend the base against what then becomes true parasites.

At times in the last few days I've seen more than one tank parked at each ground base.

The only good thing about it is that it allows aspirants to come and kill some generals.

Some high rankers do it also, probably in order to gather points, or perhaps just for their personal satisfaction.

Ita not hunting. But it is killing and I kill

The way I see it is everybody is getting their money's worth. The spawn killers get their points (whoopee) the galant knights of the sky have their dragons to slay! Spawn killer wins if he gets to collect his gains. Galant pilots get satisfaction of destroying evil! The middle use it sparingly for tactical advantage!
One spawn killer is not a problem if he's a plane. There are ways of taking off! Same with Tank! I actually got to take off from soldier on carrier once. I just started staffing walkways and instead of getting shot he left!

In short it depends on how you want to look at game. I prefer not to spawn kill and depending on my mood at that time I'll stay and get rid of them (eventually ) or move on!

Has anyone actually done a search on how much this is discussed? How much time Z must have put into balancing this out?
If he used all our memory to stop spawn killing how good do you think the game would run? Heck we can't even agree can you imagine explaining it to a computer?

Sorry for long text and rant I meant it in good faith and didn't mean to insult anyone.

Spawnkilling wont end. I dont care for it myself for reasons previously mentioned; however, another reason is that I dont have much time to play so jumping into a game with tank blowing me up is not the way I like to spend my time. So I will try for a minute or two to kill that tank and then just leave. Sometimes there's not another game. Anyway, maybe (assuming you cant ban spawnkilling) perhaps you could set a time limit of 5 seconds on enemy tanks for when they stop moving in the base area. This could simulate the necessity to keep moving in enemy territory: Just like when you fly straight for too long, you get shot down; when a tank stays still too long ( 6 seconds - boom - you blow up. It would be like having anti-tank crew running around. Or perhaps we could be given an alternate strip to take from; or be able to decide if we can be tank, plane or Rambo.

I got whined at yesterday when I shot someone who appeared on the enemy carrier (bomb carrier game). Give me a break! My teammates were flying in with me, and I had dropped a bomb recently and stuck around for cover. First I shot him as he was taking off (he's a good player, but didn't yank & bank so I got him), then he didn't time his respawn so well so he appeared right there on my go-'round. Hmm, when he shot me 5 times in a row on head-on, there was no whining from me (just a few words I may have muttered to myself lol).

Some people are over-using the "don't spawnkill" manners as "don't shoot me until I am at cruising speed." Uh... no, that's NOT what it's about. It's about tanks endlessly blowing up planes before they can throttle up, racking up points in Dogfight game for no tactical reason. It @might@ be about planes at airports, but only if it's a points-racking maneuver, but it's hard to argue that it's not a tactical kill.

Even when I get repeatedly blasted by an ace tank in Dogfight, the right response is to time the respawn, turn hard on the ground into a maneuvering takeoff, and now you have a nice focus for your next kill. And your next. And in future games too. Yes, we do remember who's gotten us, eh?

Manfred

Just an idea, but why not make bigger airstrips. Have the planes spawn on the sides actually in the hangers. That way you can get yourself out on the runway sheen you think its safe and its a bigger strip so you can have a lot of people taking off at once. It could also be made to where bomb the base as hangars are destroyed so are spawn points. But either way actually spawning inside of a building and choosing when to come out would help with the "spawnkilling". Ill admit I do it but I do it on higher levels more often because of the screen joystick henddring my dogfighting skills I need to get them before they get a chance to get me.

Also its only really annoying when you get shot as soon as you spawn.

Actually that would make spawnkilling easier. They are in hanger

No it wouldn't. Hangars are enclosed exceptf for the front door. The hangars we have now are tents. It wouldn't make it any easier than just spawning in a wide open runway in the same place over and over while people are just making passes over and over.

Trust me I know I spawn kill usuallt I spawn kill from sides if it was in hanger it woupd make my life so much easier specially when they are taking off.

And tank spawn kill was the problem which is gone, plane spwn killing there is a way to lift off without getting killed. I usally find a way and so do many others. Just have to know the right time and place to lift off from. People who spawnkill get off without a problem because they know the weaknesses.

I still disagree. You my have "skills" at spawnkilling, but I hardly can believe you can shoot through walls.

U can shoot thru wall I shot a tank who was on other side of building and I was a soldier. I shot it thru the building.

O rly

Lol thats pretty cool bomer!

Manfred, i agree with you completely, except for when you said spawnkilling with a plane coule be considered tactical. While it does let your less exoerienced teammates into bomb, it doesnt help them. I had succesful bombing runs as a luitenet, mainly cuz i had learned how to kill anything that came at me, provided it wasnt watup or brian or somone like that. I Let the newbies fight their own battles unless your base is under attack. If your on the enemys turf, if your teammate loses, you can always wipe up the giy that took him out before he becomes a threat to your base. If he wins, its a great morale booster, and it teaches tactics first hand. I remember th first kill i ever made was againt Mbizzi. I was an aspirant, i blasted him at close range. That kill kept me from leaving, and i just got better. I got two more kills in that game. My third game and i had three kills in it. Thats what letting the newbies fight can do.